i have been lurking for a few months now.
the only reason that i have not posted until now is because of the paranoia that comes with being raised a jw.
my current status in the congregation is irregular, reaching out for the office of inactive.
Hi Max:
You're right, I am a little rusty. I didn't understand the reference to bad fruitage, though? Did you mean that my postings are generating bad fruitage, or that the responses from the "temple" were bad fruitage?
I know Alan is not a "deus incarnate", however, after reading many of his essays, I feel I have profited to some measure.
i have been lurking for a few months now.
the only reason that i have not posted until now is because of the paranoia that comes with being raised a jw.
my current status in the congregation is irregular, reaching out for the office of inactive.
SALVE AMICUS!
NOSTRUM COMITATUM ESTIS LIBERO ET PRONTO!
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
Thank you Alan. I appreciate your "divine intervention" no pun intended. You're right, we deliver our opinions and seek productive interchanges of ideas, thoughts, concepts and all that is rational, whether concrete or abstract in nature.
I am learning so many new variations on previously held biblical concepts, as well as peering into the human psyche of fellow "comrades" in suffering. These are treasured opportunities for personal growth and appreciation.
May I never regard the interchanges here as simple numbers and earned posting titles, like some field service report or auxiliary campaign in the WTBS. The benefits of interacting in this forum can be clinical and critical for those in crisis.
The occasional rantings and jousting matches serve as "polite" entertainment and add a unique variety, whereas we could all be sitting in a vehicle somewhere returning to private homes, some for the numerous times, hoping to spread the mild mannered and subliminal gangrene fo the WTBS on an unsuspecting victim.
forgive me if any of the following questions are too fundamental, i am curious how the illuminati would respond:.
1. if an individual provides personal dna and finances a personal clone, are both humans legally related?.
2. once cloned, are there any legal entitlements to the clone's wages, profits, inventions, etc?.
Forgive me if any of the following questions are too fundamental, I am curious how the illuminati would respond:
1. If an individual provides personal DNA and finances a personal clone, are both humans legally related?
2. Once cloned, are there any legal entitlements to the clone's wages, profits, inventions, etc?
3. If your orientation/conscience and health allowed, could you marry your own clone? Should you?
4. Who names the clone?
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
I make definitive statements because in my opinion, they are warranted. I work in the 1st federal circuit and am surrounded by judges and lawyers on a daily basis.
As far as posting numbers are concerned, there are two ways you could view the amount of posts and titles under one's belt in this forum:
A person with a grandiose title (hmmm...reminds me of MT23:9) and a high numbers of posts (1000's) might be an avid debater or a wealthy debutante.
Posts are public interchanges of personal communication. An old Swahili proverb says:
SILENCE IS ALSO SPEECH.
If you are concerned about who I am, ask AlanF. We spoke last Friday and I believe he can dissaude any concerns you might have about my allegiances.
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
Hi Waiting:
I agree with most of what you posted, however, if you don't mind, I would like to add a few thoughts to mix in this "legal stew" we are
brewing today...
First, although it may sound clever and authoritative that an attorney reprimands and scolds clients into certain behaviors, like "keep your mouth shut", "that's the way it is" and "don't fidget in the courtroom", you might give consideration to the additional motivations for such advice.
Remember, I am saying there are additional reasons why they give such harsh advice besides the obvious...for example:
Attorneys are taught and learn from experience to pay attention to body language, to learn to manipulate the direction and flow of thoughts and conversations, search for weaknesses, etc...
It means that most attorneys ASSUME the client needs to be controlled or regulated. Posting any and all information about the WTBS is in fact safe on this board, no matter what anyone says because the goal is publicity. The respected and experienced posters here do not need to be adjusted, regulated or controlled, like some client on an insurance case, or personal injury suit.
The next reason attorneys desire to "control" client behavior is to maximize the profit potential and minimize the possibility of defeat. Remember, in any judicial district, state or federal, all attorneys are officers of the court (both sides in any case) and all of them are members of the local, state and possibly national bar associations.
They all "sleep" in the same beds together, they only want to keep hot information to themselves for profit and settlement reasons, not because it jeopardizes the case or changes the evidence.
The whole system is a racket. My father used to say ( in sicilian dialect):
If you want to have a good, quiet life and keep some of the money you earn, then stay away from three kinds of people; the clergy, the doctors and most important of all, the lawyers!
If you want to have
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
I believe it's important to realize several key factors about all of these witness lawsuits:
1. If a family has been thru all of the consequences associated with litigation, rest assured they have lost all ties to the JW community and have probably incurred some major financial debt/losses.
2. Economically speaking, unless a family can AFFORD to snub a "reasonable settlement offer", it is going to be difficult to prevent the WTBS from buying their way out of these cases, like the Catholic Church has been doing for years.
This means that it may take even longer to completely expose the WTBS. Conditions and circumstances will dictate the level and amount of sacrifice, poverty, publicity, humiliation, loss, suffering, abandonment, loss of society, loss of consortium, loss of companionship and emotional damages a family can bear.
Since the majority of JW's are NOT well educated beyond publications, the overall JW demographic is blue collar, high school degree, entry level office position or manual/menial labor and very little in savings and real property. This makes one's case ripe for purchase by the WTBS legal machine.
Any thought from the "THINK TANK"? Let's go
EX ALTO FULGOR
i believe it's important to realize several key factors about all of these witness lawsuits:.
1. if a family has been thru all of the consequences associated with litigation, rest assured they have lost all ties to the jw community and have probably incurred some major financial debt/losses.. 2. economically speaking, unless a family can afford to snub a "reasonable settlement offer", it is going to be difficult to prevent the wtbs from buying their way out of these cases, like the catholic church has been doing for years.. this means that it may take even longer to completely expose the wtbs.
conditions and circumstances will dictate the level and amount of sacrifice, poverty, publicity, humiliation, loss, suffering, abandonment, loss of society, loss of consortium, loss of companionship and emotional damages a family can bear.. since the majority of jw's are not well educated beyond publications, the overall jw demographic is blue collar, high school degree, entry level office position or manual/menial labor and very little in savings and real property.
I believe it's important to realize several key factors about all of these witness lawsuits:
1. If a family has been thru all of the consequences associated with litigation, rest assured they have lost all ties to the JW community and have probably incurred some major financial debt/losses.
2. Economically speaking, unless a family can AFFORD to snub a "reasonable settlement offer", it is going to be difficult to prevent the WTBS from buying their way out of these cases, like the Catholic Church has been doing for years.
This means that it may take even longer to completely expose the WTBS. Conditions and circumstances will dictate the level and amount of sacrifice, poverty, publicity, humiliation, loss, suffering, abandonment, loss of society, loss of consortium, loss of companionship and emotional damages a family can bear.
Since the majority of JW's are NOT well educated beyond publications, the overall JW demographic is blue collar, high school degree, entry level office position or manual/menial labor and very little in savings and real property. This makes one's case ripe for purchase by the WTBS legal machine.
Any thought from the "THINK TANK"? Let's go
EX ALTO FULGOR
i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.
first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.
second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.
Since the most confidential matters of a legal case are usually under privilege, I think everyone is safe and can post in freedom.
Remember, fear is an improper use of the imagination. Also, who cares if the WTBS police are scouring the web looking for info and posts? Can they cover it up? Can they access private networks and delete information from web servers? Can they prevent the public from viewing the information?
The answer to all of these is a big fat NO. All they can do is have some unfortunate overworked staff of legal and technical people keep an eye on the web to see how much information is out there and the quality of facts and details. That's it. How is that a threat to any of us?
Let them look and see, maybe someone who has concerns will start reading the information and begin using their own mind for a change.
Unless you are worried about being discovered and put thru the judicial charade, I wouldn't worry. Never reveal your name or your true whereabouts and use private e-mail to communicate sensitive info outside of the board. Simple.
i am excited about bill's press release.
does anyone know if the wtbs will do anything with it?
has it been released to american media?
I am excited about Bill's Press Release. Does anyone know if the WTBS will do anything with it?
Has it been released to american media? Will we see it in magazines, local and national news, radio and tv? I hope this is really it this time!
I am dying to see the whole organization taken apart, piece by piece, by government, by media, by whistle blowers and of course, by attrition most of all!
